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Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2014.04.10 07:44:00 -
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It is 3rd worst dread for cap esc. The latest tracking nerfs have tipped it over the edge into near uselessness compared to Nag and Moros. Having all V skills help make it barely passable. |
Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2014.04.13 08:54:00 -
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Rev has better projection, up to a certain point.
In this case we were talking about cap escalations. That means depending on how you run the sites, sleeper BS are normally at around 36-40km from the dreads. In other cases they are 0km-36km. 36km being their normal orbiting range.
As far as I can see the Nag and Moros far outstrip the Rev for applied DPS at those ranges with superior raw DPS, Tracking and flexibility.
That said having an all V Rev as 2nd dread is more than acceptable and of course if you have the face roll 10 dreads into a site then it really doesn't matter what dread you fly, except maybe phoenixes.
The difference between an all V Moros and all V Rev from personal experience is significant and while I have not had the pleasure of seeing an all V Nag in action, on paper it looks like it will perform similarly to a Moros with better projection. |
Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2014.04.13 13:39:00 -
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Paikis wrote:According to my EFTWarrioring with 2 paints and 2 webs against a Battleship, a Phoenix will do much more damage below 20kms, then the Moros takes over and does the most damage until about 33kms, where the Naglfar takes over. Then the Revelation outdamages everything past 40kms.
No, the Revelation has better projection after a certain point. That point being 40kms, and it is a VERY large advantage out past 60kms, effectively doubling the DPS of the next closest Dreadnought (the Naglfar).
Yes sorry thats what I mean. 'up to a certain point' I meant as a figure of speech, not literally from 0-40km :)
Quote:Interestingly, the cross-over point where all the dreads do about the same damage is 38kms. This changes when you add tracking into the equation, with the Phoenix being best until 25kms, where the moros takes over and doens't stop being better until about 60kms... but EFT is doing something weird and is telling me that the Revelation ahs better tracking than a Naglfar, so I'm not sure if I should trust this bit...
It's about the versatility part, the nag has a ton of mids, so fill it with tracking comps. This means you can switch from range to tracking or mix em up so you cna have more tracking than any dread or have good range. That's the THING about ACs, be it Vargur or Nag is you have to make those tracking comps work for you.
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If you have a choice, you should use the Revelation as first dread (or a Phoenix if in a Pulsar, yeah I said it) and then Moroses for all other dreads. The exception of course is if you're only doing one wave of sleepers at a time, in which case you just use Moroses and call it done.
Having said that though, all the dreads can blap sleepers pretty well (if you can believe EFT) and it shouldn't really matter which one you use, they'll still convert sleepers into wrecks.
Well with less people you have to do 2 then 1 then 1 wave so it does take a bit longer but you get much larger share and the sites you do have go a lot farther. Moros is great for that and then whatever else we have available be it Moros/Rev/Nag
If you can believe it Nags make Black holes viable (not as good as normal but viable). |
Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2014.04.14 06:12:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:*sigh* You clearly don't understand basic reasoning so I'm out man. You do what you want for whatever reason you want to.
Don't worry about it, Angsty Teenager just wants to be told he's right, like an angsty teenager in fact. |
Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2014.04.14 09:21:00 -
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An actual thing that happens in running sites in a Moros, even with all V +implants, is that they get so much pressure from rats that they have to actually stop firing or even drop out of siege even after refitting to cap/rep because the neut pressure is just too high.
A nag will in the same situation not have the same issue and can continue firing while repping because of being able to refit more cap rechargers because of more mids while keeping lows for tank.
So no, DPS is not the only consideration as there are many situations that happen regularly while running sites that reduce or negate that advantage on a Moros while it does not effect the Nag, or effects it less.
Saying that everything but the DPS consideration is irrelevant is extremely shortsighted and narrow minded and is probably the main reason everyone wants to change black holes when they can be run quite decently with Nags. |
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